{"id":1384,"date":"2021-06-25T16:54:07","date_gmt":"2021-06-25T16:54:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/?p=1384"},"modified":"2022-01-04T20:41:22","modified_gmt":"2022-01-04T20:41:22","slug":"salze-editorial-volem-traduir-poetes-de-qualitat-que-es-troben-als-marges","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/en\/2021\/06\/25\/salze-editorial-volem-traduir-poetes-de-qualitat-que-es-troben-als-marges\/","title":{"rendered":"Salze Editorial: \u00abVolem traduir poetes de qualitat que es troben als marges\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fws_69e004c77be1f\"  data-column-margin=\"default\" data-midnight=\"dark\"  class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\" data-bg-animation=\"none\" data-bg-animation-delay=\"\" data-bg-overlay=\"false\"><div class=\"inner-wrap row-bg-layer\" ><div class=\"row-bg viewport-desktop\"  style=\"\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12 col span_12 dark left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"  data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t<div id=\"fws_69e004c77c655\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  center\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element  wpb_animate_when_almost_visible wpb_bounceInLeft bounceInLeft vc_custom_1641327620752\" >\n\t<p style=\"text-align: center;\">ENTREVISTA<br \/>\nde <a href=\"https:\/\/ca.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pere_C%C3%ADscar_i_Llopis\">Pere C\u00edscar<\/a> per a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nuvol.com\/llibres\/salze-editorial-volem-traduir-poetes-de-qualitat-que-es-troben-als-marges-185361\">N\u00favol<\/a>, divendres 25 de juny de 2021<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"divider-wrap\" data-alignment=\"default\"><div style=\"margin-top: 0.5px; height: 1px; margin-bottom: 0.5px;\" data-width=\"100%\" data-animate=\"yes\" data-animation-delay=\"\" data-color=\"default\" class=\"divider-border\"><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77ce5d\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 18px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<h5>Ha nascut a ca nostra, ara a La Plana de Castell\u00f3, ara a Osona, una nova editorial de poesia: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/\">Salze Editorial<\/a>. Els seus responsables s\u00f3n els poetes Josep Porcar i Marta Vilardaga. Als seus interessants blogs, <a href=\"https:\/\/amagatalldelletres.wordpress.com\/\">Amagatall de lletres<\/a> (de Marta Vilardaga) i <a href=\"https:\/\/www.porcar.net\/\">Salms<\/a> (de Josep Porcar), podeu trobar informaci\u00f3 sobre ells, lletres pr\u00f2pies i tradu\u00efdes, audiovisuals etc\u2026 Salze Editorial s\u2019estrena amb Porta\u2019m amb tu, d\u2019Attilio Bertolucci. Els entrevistem via Google Meet com a signe dels temps; tan de bo contesten tamb\u00e9 sense mascareta.<\/h5>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77d424\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 15px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"img-with-aniamtion-wrap center\" data-max-width=\"100%\" data-max-width-mobile=\"default\" data-shadow=\"none\" data-animation=\"grow-in\"  style=\"margin-top: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px; \">\n      <div class=\"inner\">\n        <div class=\"hover-wrap\"> \n          <div class=\"hover-wrap-inner\">\n            <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-scaled.jpg\" class=\"pp center\">\n              <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-with-animation skip-lazy\" data-delay=\"0\" height=\"1812\" width=\"2560\" data-animation=\"grow-in\" src=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-scaled.jpg 2560w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-scaled-300x212.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-scaled-600x425.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-1526x1080.jpg 1526w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-768x544.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-1536x1087.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-2048x1450.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/llibre-bertolucci-interior-3-16x12.jpg 16w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\" \/>\n            <\/a>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n         \n      <\/div>\n      <\/div>\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77dce5\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><strong>Com, quan i on va n\u00e0ixer la idea de crear l\u2019editorial? Qu\u00e8 aporta respecte a les altres cases po\u00e8tiques independents als Pa\u00efsos Catalans?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: La idea va n\u00e0ixer traduint\u2026 An\u00e0vem fent traduccions m\u00e9s o menys improvisades i esparses de poesia forana i les compart\u00edem, fins que vam descobrir l\u2019Attilio Bertolucci, que es va convertir en obsessi\u00f3 i gaudi. Va ser llavors que ens vam plantejar traduir-lo m\u00e9s met\u00f2dicament i una cosa va portar a l\u2019altra. Far\u00e0 un parell d\u2019anys que vam decidir crear l\u2019editorial, sense pressa, que \u00e9s el nostre lema, i Bertolucci ens va impulsar, en el sentit que vam descobrir un poeta desconegut llavors per nosaltres i tamb\u00e9 a casa nostra, cosa que va fer que ens conscienci\u00e0rem sobre quants i quantes altres poetes d\u2019aquesta qualitat i magnitud liter\u00e0ria hi ha per explorar. Part de la feina de la nostra editorial \u00e9s aquesta descoberta, digues-li investigaci\u00f3, si vols.<\/p>\n<p>MARTA: En relaci\u00f3 al que aportem, pensem que potser hi ha un plus de risc sobre el risc que ja suposa assumir qualsevol mena de publicaci\u00f3 de poesia, de traducci\u00f3 i en llengua catalana. Per a l\u2019edici\u00f3, ens interessen poc o gens els grans noms de poetes que en general ja ressonen a o\u00efdes de tothom, no volem \u201ccaure\u201d en aix\u00f2 per garantir-nos unes vendes. Volem poetes de gran qualitat que es troben als marges i dur-los a primera plana. Com ja hem dit en algun altre lloc, prioritzem l\u2019edici\u00f3 de traduccions d\u2019obres d\u2019autors\/es encara poc coneguts o molt poc explorats als Pa\u00efsos Catalans, per\u00f2 que tenen \u2013o han tingut\u2013 una llarga traject\u00f2ria i reconeixement de la cr\u00edtica al seu pa\u00eds d\u2019origen o al d\u2019acollida i, en tot cas, a la resta del m\u00f3n. Volem publicar, per tant, veus de fa anys afora celebrades, o considerades si m\u00e9s no, amb una po\u00e8tica reveladora, aut\u00e8ntica i diferenciada que est\u00e0 deixant o ja ha deixat rastre en generacions posteriors, per\u00f2 que en tot cas encara no ens han arribat en llengua catalana.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77e31c\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 15px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"img-with-aniamtion-wrap center\" data-max-width=\"100%\" data-max-width-mobile=\"default\" data-shadow=\"none\" data-animation=\"grow-in\"  style=\"margin-top: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px; \">\n      <div class=\"inner\">\n        <div class=\"hover-wrap\"> \n          <div class=\"hover-wrap-inner\">\n            <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-scaled.jpg\" class=\"pp center\">\n              <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-with-animation skip-lazy\" data-delay=\"0\" height=\"1051\" width=\"2560\" data-animation=\"grow-in\" src=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-scaled.jpg 2560w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-scaled-300x123.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-scaled-600x246.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-1920x788.jpg 1920w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-768x315.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-1536x630.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/salze-editors-2048x841.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\" \/>\n            <\/a>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n         \n      <\/div>\n      <\/div><h6 style=\"font-size: 14px;text-align: center;font-family:Roboto Condensed;font-weight:300;font-style:normal\" class=\"vc_custom_heading vc_do_custom_heading\" >Marta Vilardaga i Josep Porcar, editors de Salze Editorial<\/h6>\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77ede9\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><strong>Qu\u00e8 n\u2019opinen els vostres psic\u00f2legs\/\u00f2logues i butxaques? Esteu contents amb la distribuci\u00f3 i amb l\u2019acollida inicial?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: De moment no hem hagut de visitar cap metge i estem contents amb la feina feta. Sobre els resultats, \u00e9s massa d\u2019hora per dir res, per\u00f2 estem satisfets sobre com marxa fins ara.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Per qu\u00e8 heu triat el nom Salze? El logotip del salze de qui \u00e9s? El llibre \u00e9s molt bonic tamb\u00e9 com a objecte i intu\u00efm que s\u2019ajusta al \u201cdespullament\u201d bertolucci\u00e0 que destaqueu al vostre pregon pr\u00f2leg. Podeu explicar-me el concepte del disseny? El disseny es mantindr\u00e0 en el seg\u00fcent t\u00edtol de l\u2019editorial o canviareu segons l\u2019autor\/a propers?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: El salze va ser mig epifania, mig al\u00b7legoria, i va n\u00e9ixer exactament el 29 de desembre de 2019 sota un salze dels estanys d\u2019Almenara (la Plana Baixa). Llavors encara no sab\u00edem que aquell salze seria una mena de mem\u00f2ria viva per fer-ne l\u2019editorial.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: El salze \u00e9s un arbre de marges on corre l\u2019humitat, molt sovint a la vora del caixer de les s\u00e9quies, i amb el record d\u2019aquell salze, amb el poder simb\u00f2lic de les fulles que pengen, a la manera d\u2019un llibre vegetal, vaig idear el logotip. No \u00e9s del tot aix\u00ed, per\u00f2, aix\u00f2 del despullament que esmentes, perqu\u00e8 el disseny de l\u2019objecte va estar pensat amb antelaci\u00f3 al Porta\u2019m amb tu de Bertolucci, per servir de continent a qualsevol mena de traducci\u00f3 po\u00e8tica. Un cert despullament, si de cas, \u00e9s una d\u00e8ria meua, ja que, com en la poesia, considere que cal anar a l\u2019essencial i, en el disseny editorial, cal tenir molt clares les jerarquies dels continguts: no hauries de posar per exemple, cosa b\u00e0sica, el nom del traductor m\u00e9s gran que el t\u00edtol i l\u2019autor del llibre, no? (Somriu) La variaci\u00f3 de disseny de n\u00famero en n\u00famero ser\u00e0 b\u00e0sicament de color. Volem fer no sols col\u00b7lecci\u00f3 sin\u00f3 tamb\u00e9 biblioteca de fons, per aix\u00f2 busquem homogene\u00eftat m\u00e0xima en l\u2019aspecte visual dels diferents t\u00edtols.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77f404\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<blockquote>\n<h4>Prioritzem l\u2019edici\u00f3 de traduccions d\u2019autors poc coneguts als Pa\u00efsos Catalans, per\u00f2 que tenen una llarga traject\u00f2ria i reconeixement de la cr\u00edtica al seu pa\u00eds d\u2019origen<\/h4>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c77f97e\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><b>Ens augmentar\u00e0 la massa incipient de presb\u00edcia intentant llegir els textos en l\u2019idioma original a peu de p\u00e0gina, o no?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Les edicions s\u00f3n i seran biling\u00fces. El text a tamany inferior a peu de p\u00e0gina no \u00e9s cap caprici, respon al criteri editorial de prioritzar, per al lector, la versi\u00f3 catalana. El tradu\u00efm perqu\u00e8 l\u2019autor sigui llegit i gaudit en catal\u00e0. \u00c9s a dir, donem valor a la feina del traductor i volem un acc\u00e9s a trav\u00e9s del catal\u00e0. I oferim el text original com a refer\u00e8ncia per qui hi estigui interessat. A m\u00e9s, el p\u00fablic lector pot complementar el coneixement de les obres a trav\u00e9s del <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/\">web de Salze Editorial<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><b>Bertolucci al catal\u00e0 sona molt b\u00e9. Enhorabona, <i>traduttore<\/i> <i>traditori<\/i>. Vos heu posat r\u00e0pid d\u2019acord amb el model est\u00e0ndard catal\u00e0 (occidental\/oriental) que empreu a la traducci\u00f3? \u00c9s cert que l\u2019itali\u00e0 \u00e9s dif\u00edcilment f\u00e0cil de traduir?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Potser et refereixes a la varietat del catal\u00e0, no al model est\u00e0ndard\u2026 Que hi trobes un est\u00e0ndard, tu, al llibre? Hi \u00e9s? Si \u00e9s aix\u00ed, potser no ho haur\u00edem fet prou b\u00e9. Al recull <i>Porta\u2019m amb tu<\/i> hem mantingut la deguda coher\u00e8ncia de la varietat oriental del catal\u00e0 en temps verbals, en l\u00e8xic d\u2019\u00fas com\u00fa, etc. Per\u00f2 no ens hem limitat per aix\u00f2 i hem fet servir, en no poques ocasions, formes, girs i l\u00e8xic d\u2019arreu dels Pa\u00efsos Catalans.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: La llengua italiana sembla propera i, equivocadament, alg\u00fa la pot creure f\u00e0cil de traduir, com el castell\u00e0. Per\u00f2 potser quant m\u00e9s coneixes una llengua, m\u00e9s dif\u00edcil de traduir \u00e9s la seua poesia. En traducci\u00f3 po\u00e8tica no funcionen les equival\u00e8ncies i, com saps, tampoc la literalitat. Necessit\u00e0vem especialment que el poema son\u00e9s perfectament en catal\u00e0, que pogu\u00e9s ser recitat amb flu\u00efdesa en veu alta en la nostra llengua, i tot, clar, sense distanciar-nos de l\u2019original, ni en el fons ni en la forma. Un gran repte, sens dubte. A m\u00e9s, Bertolucci t\u00e9 una veu amb una pros\u00f2dia molt particular que en la mesura del possible hem volgut traginar al catal\u00e0.<\/p>\n<p><b>Em podeu dir dues paraules o expressions italianes de l\u2019idiolecte de Bertolucci que estimeu. I una altra que siga un infern de traduir a la nostra llengua?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Ara recordo que ens va fer gr\u00e0cia la forma <i>il gattino occhidolci<\/i>, el gatet ulldol\u00e7os. I tamb\u00e9 \u00able gagg\u00ece della mia fanciullezza\u2005\/\u2005dalle fresche foglie che suonano in bocca\u00bb, les fulles fresques d\u2019ac\u00e0cia que a la boca sonen mentre camines pel camp\u2026 La paraula <i>fanciullezza<\/i>, que ve a ser com una infantesa preadolescent, en una variant d\u2019itali\u00e0 m\u00e9s elevat, ens va sobtar i queda per sempre lligat a la descoberta de Bertolucci.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: En relaci\u00f3 a les dificultats\u2026 Si traduint hi ha inferns, ens agraden els inferns. De la traducci\u00f3 del <i>Porta\u2019m amb tu<\/i>recordem per exemple uns versos en els quals vam haver de buscar irremeiablement un gir: \u00abla luce\u2005\/\u2005a met\u00e0 del tuo viso, a met\u00e0 l\u2019\u200aombra?\u00bb, un preci\u00f3s poema dedicat al seu fill. Despr\u00e9s de molt rumiar ens van venir al cap els versos de Ferrater \u00abtens la pell mig del sol, mig de la lluna\u00bb. I ho vam resoldre aix\u00ed: \u00abel teu rostre mig de la llum, mig de l\u2019ombra\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c78002d\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 15px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"img-with-aniamtion-wrap center\" data-max-width=\"100%\" data-max-width-mobile=\"default\" data-shadow=\"none\" data-animation=\"grow-in\"  style=\"margin-top: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px; \">\n      <div class=\"inner\">\n        <div class=\"hover-wrap\"> \n          <div class=\"hover-wrap-inner\">\n            <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar.jpg\" class=\"pp center\">\n              <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-with-animation skip-lazy\" data-delay=\"0\" height=\"1364\" width=\"1920\" data-animation=\"grow-in\" src=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar.jpg 1920w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar-300x213.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar-600x426.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar-1520x1080.jpg 1520w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar-768x546.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar-1536x1091.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Josep_Porcar-16x12.jpg 16w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\" \/>\n            <\/a>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n         \n      <\/div>\n      <\/div>\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c780880\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><b>\u00c9s la traducci\u00f3 el cinqu\u00e8 gran g\u00e8nere literari? A quin dels altres g\u00e8neres s\u2019acosta m\u00e9s? Si hagu\u00e9reu de comparar la traducci\u00f3 amb un altre art, o menestralia, amb quina seria?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: Potser la traducci\u00f3 \u00e9s el primer g\u00e8nere literari, perqu\u00e8 hi ha de ser sovint en tots els altres, sobretot en la poesia. I potser al g\u00e8nere que m\u00e9s s\u2019acosta \u00e9s la poesia. Quan escrivim poemes d\u2019alguna manera ens estem traduint a nosaltres mateixos, tradu\u00efm la vida. En tot cas, caldria evitar r\u00e0nquings, cada dia m\u00e9s.<\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Com que en la traducci\u00f3 has de posar els cinc sentits, m\u00e9s el de l\u2019espai i el temps, i sens dubte un gran domini del llenguatge, l\u2019altre art amb qu\u00e8 comparar\u00edem la traducci\u00f3 seria el cinema, tan complet com \u00e9s, pel que t\u00e9 d\u2019audiovisual, de metaf\u00f2ric, de sinest\u00e8sic\u2026 I aix\u00f2 passa, especialment, en la traducci\u00f3 de Bertolucci, no solament perqu\u00e8 els fills Bernardo I Giuseppe van ser grans cineastes, sin\u00f3 perqu\u00e8 el poeta va ser professor d\u2019hist\u00f2ria de l\u2019art, i gran part de la seva obra la formen peces po\u00e8tiques que semblarien llen\u00e7os en moviment.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c780e43\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<blockquote>\n<h4>Hem mantingut la deguda coher\u00e8ncia de la varietat oriental del catal\u00e0. Per\u00f2 no ens hem limitat i tamb\u00e9 hem fet servir formes, girs i l\u00e8xic d\u2019arreu dels Pa\u00efsos Catalans<\/h4>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c7813aa\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><b>Vos ajuda el fet de ser poetes a traduir o (de vegades) \u00e9s un llast? Continuareu traduint vosaltres o delegareu en altres plomes?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Crec que parlo pels dos si dic que som del parer que per traduir poesia has de ser poeta\u2026 O b\u00e9 ja ho ets, per\u00f2 no ho saps encara.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: Respecte a la segon pregunta, ja tenim tres <i>delegacions<\/i> en marxa, per\u00f2 s\u00ed, nosaltres continuem traduint, encara no sabem quan o si ho publicarem. Entenem la traducci\u00f3 po\u00e8tica com una carrera de fons. <i>Sense pressa<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p><b>Per qu\u00e8 heu triat com a inici del vostre projecte Attilio Bertolucci?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Ens va sorprendre i atraure molt\u00edssim la seva manera de construir els poemes i que aquesta construcci\u00f3, a m\u00e9s, podia aportar molt a la poesia catalana actual. En aquest sentit de la bastida del poema, el fet de no trobar un poeta m\u00e9s o menys homologable en catal\u00e0 ens va fer triar Bertolucci per a iniciar la col\u00b7lecci\u00f3. Per a copsar els seus poemes, has d\u2019entrar en l\u2019escena o en la seq\u00fc\u00e8ncia que est\u00e0 dibuixant o, millor dit, que est\u00e0 dirigint darrere d\u2019una c\u00e0mera.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: De fet, quant et posiciones dins del poema, acabes de veure ben clar all\u00f2 que fa nom\u00e9s uns instants semblava dif\u00fas o boir\u00f3s, i se\u2019t revela de cop tot all\u00f2 que et vol comunicar, de manera que, almenys aix\u00ed ens ha passat a nosaltres, \u00e9s capa\u00e7 de provocar en el lector tamb\u00e9 una mena d\u2019epifania, d\u2019emoci\u00f3 per all\u00f2 que t\u2019acaba de mostrar.<\/p>\n<p><b>Al pr\u00f2leg destaqueu el seu estil i import\u00e0ncia; podeu fer-ne cinc c\u00e8ntims per a nuvolaires?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: S\u00ed. Tornant una mica al que explic\u00e0vem, Bertolucci construeix un llenguatge po\u00e8tic que podr\u00edem qualificar de cin\u00e8tic, l\u2019estratifica en diferents nivells discursius i temporals sota un flux continu d\u2019aparent simplicitat expressiva que se\u2019ns emporta i ens fa viatjar al llarg de la seva captaci\u00f3 de l\u2019instant en fuga. Es tracta d\u2019una mena d\u2019estat de tr\u00e0nsit que al capdavall suposa una reflexiva dissecci\u00f3 del pas del temps i un testimoniatge imprescindible de la mem\u00f2ria personal, familiar i col\u00b7lectiva.<\/p>\n<p><b>Per qu\u00e8 una antologia ben representativa i no un llibre sencer? En els propers Salzes seguireu aquesta l\u00ednia? Entre els poemes triats destaquen pel seu gran nombre els del <i>Viatge d\u2019hivern<\/i>. Per qu\u00e8?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: Responent a la primera pregunta, perqu\u00e8 ens sembla ben interessant oferir una mostra de l\u2019evoluci\u00f3 del poeta al llarg de la seva vida. \u00c9s el que hem volgut fer al <i>Porta\u2019m amb tu<\/i> de Bertolucci. Aix\u00f2 significa que fem una aposta pels poetes que han escrit bons poemes en totes les seves etapes\u2026 De poetes aix\u00ed no n\u2019hi ha gaire, i aix\u00f2 trobem que \u00e9s un al\u00b7licient afegit. Bertolucci comen\u00e7a a publicar als divuit anys ja amb una gran qualitat liter\u00e0ria, i ho hav\u00edem de recollir. De fet, el mateix Montale elogia els seus primers llibres.<\/p>\n<p>MARTA: En part per aix\u00f2 volem seguir amb aquest mateix criteri en els propers volums de la col\u00b7lecci\u00f3. <i>Viatge d\u2019hivern<\/i> \u00e9s, segons la cr\u00edtica, i ho compartim, el seu millor llibre, en el sentit que en aquest recull tots els poemes s\u00f3n especialment bons. Hi ha una maduresa expressiva espl\u00e8ndida i neix d\u2019una situaci\u00f3 l\u00edmit i dura del poeta que \u00e9s capa\u00e7 de resoldre sense escarafalls, sense efectismes ni sentenciosismes, tan habituals, d\u2019altra banda, en una part de la poesia catalana recent.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c781a8b\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<blockquote>\n<h4>La traducci\u00f3 \u00e9s el primer g\u00e8nere literari, perqu\u00e8 hi ha de ser sovint en tots els altres<\/h4>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c782003\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><b>Trieu-me cadasc\u00fa el t\u00edtol d\u2019un poema del llibre que us apassione i per qu\u00e8.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: \u00c9s molt dif\u00edcil triar-ne un, per\u00f2 b\u00e9, \u00e9s meravell\u00f3s el poema \u00abFragment excl\u00f2s de la novel\u00b7la en vers\u00bb, perqu\u00e8 \u00e9s una mostra de com \u00e9s capa\u00e7 de construir, a partir d\u2019una escena m\u00ednima i quotidiana, una reflexi\u00f3 sobre el temps c\u00edclic de la vida, d\u2019una profunda humanitat i tendresa. Aquest poema va ser excl\u00f2s per Bertolucci de la seva novel\u00b7la en vers <i>La camera da letto<\/i>, on explica la hist\u00f2ria de la seva fam\u00edlia des de mitjans de la d\u00e8cada de 1700 fins al 1951. El resultat \u00e9s una \u00e8pica del quotidi\u00e0, d\u2019un fabul\u00f3s to menor amb una cad\u00e8ncia al vers de sublim agilitat.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: Del <i>Porta\u2019m amb tu<\/i> destacaria sens dubte \u00abEls rastelladors\u00bb. Caldria emmarcar-lo, podria presidir qualsevol antologia de la poesia universal del segle XX, per la seua absoluta modernitat i pel que t\u00e9 d\u2019humanisme, de den\u00fancia, de mem\u00f2ria col\u00b7lectiva, aix\u00ed com per la construcci\u00f3 del poema, amb aquella cin\u00e8tica circular de la qual parl\u00e0vem abans. \u00c9s magn\u00edfica la imatge dels ocells migrants que compara amb avions de la guerra, el seu moviment en cercles ran dels camps, amunt i avall, el joc de nivells entre cel i terra, entre intrahist\u00f2ria i hist\u00f2ria, entre humans i d\u00e9us, entre pau i guerra\u2026<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c7825d4\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 15px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"img-with-aniamtion-wrap center\" data-max-width=\"100%\" data-max-width-mobile=\"default\" data-shadow=\"none\" data-animation=\"grow-in\"  style=\"margin-top: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px; \">\n      <div class=\"inner\">\n        <div class=\"hover-wrap\"> \n          <div class=\"hover-wrap-inner\">\n            <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-scaled.jpg\" class=\"pp center\">\n              <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-with-animation skip-lazy\" data-delay=\"0\" height=\"1920\" width=\"2560\" data-animation=\"grow-in\" src=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-scaled.jpg 2560w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-scaled-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-scaled-600x450.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-1440x1080.jpg 1440w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.salze.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Salze_Marta_Vilardaga-16x12.jpg 16w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\" \/>\n            <\/a>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n         \n      <\/div>\n      <\/div>\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c782e1d\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 25px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><b>I ara dieu-me el t\u00edtol d\u2019un poema cadasc\u00fa que no h\u00e0geu pogut incloure i que us haguera agradat.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Et podem dir els dos que vam excloure a \u00faltima hora: \u00ab1945\u00bb, dedicat a Giacomo Ulivi, alumne del poeta, partis\u00e0 de Parma executat per les SS amb 19 anys; i \u00abConquilla buida\u00bb, un poema crepuscular on reflexiona sobre la vida com una ferida que ja no dol.<\/p>\n<p><b>Sou dos poetes, talment Bertolucci, amb una forta c\u00e0rrega de la natura en la vostra obra. A quin paisatge especial de les vostres respectives terres dur\u00edeu Bertolucci de visita?\u00a0\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: Segurament el portaria al castell d\u2019en Boix de Taradell, des d\u2019all\u00e0 obtindria una fabulosa vista de tota la plana de Vic, i potser en faria una panor\u00e0mica l\u00edrica de les seves. I a m\u00e9s gaudiria d\u2019un sender sota les balmes, qui sap si en faria un bon contrapicat (somriure).<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: I despr\u00e9s el podr\u00edem portar a l\u2019altra plana, la de Castell\u00f3, vista des del castell del Montorn\u00e9s, per\u00f2 potser quedaria m\u00e9s impressionat pel convent Vell del Desert de les Palmes, enrunat per un terratr\u00e8mol, ja que els seus poemes es planyen molt de l\u2019aband\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p><b>Imagineu que sou els tres dins <i>Quei loro incontri<\/i> d\u2019Straub i Huillet; quin poema creieu que recitaria Bertolucci? Amb el vostre perm\u00eds el reproduirem (sencer o una part, com preferiu) al N\u00favol.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>MARTA: El poema \u00abExcavacions\u00bb potser n\u2019\u00e9s un, entre tants, que encaixaria b\u00e9 en la recitaci\u00f3 dels <i>Di\u00e0legs amb Leuc\u00f3<\/i> de Pavese que Straub i Huillet porten al cinema.<\/p>\n<p>JOSEP: Parla de cranis de pedra decapitats de deesses que de cop tornen a la vida i ploren. Hi ha la natura, la mort i la immortalitat, el dest\u00ed, i hi ha la revisi\u00f3 i l\u2019aflorament del mite del passat en el present per via d\u2019un diguem-ne presumpte realisme m\u00e9s o menys m\u00e0gic amb una sorprenent i immensa el\u00b7lipsi cinematogr\u00e0fica que ens fa visible i profundament colpidor un temps i un amor que no torna.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div> \n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div>\n\t\t<div id=\"fws_69e004c78392e\"  data-column-margin=\"default\" data-midnight=\"dark\"  class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row\"  style=\"padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; \"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\" data-bg-animation=\"none\" data-bg-animation-delay=\"\" data-bg-overlay=\"false\"><div class=\"inner-wrap row-bg-layer\" ><div class=\"row-bg viewport-desktop\"  style=\"\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12 col span_12 dark left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container 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>\n\t<p>EXCAVACIONS<\/p>\n<p>Rostres de deesses<br \/>\ndescansen<br \/>\nsobre el verd lluent.<br \/>\nColumnes esmicolades<br \/>\nfressa de frondes<br \/>\nbrisa de mar.<br \/>\nEs desperten,<br \/>\nat\u00f2nites giren entorn<br \/>\nels ulls concaus:<br \/>\nlluny\u00e0 \u00e9s el bell cos,<br \/>\nlluny\u00e0 el dol\u00e7 temps,<br \/>\nllunyans la rosa i el llorer.<br \/>\nVessen un desesperat plor mut.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\n<div class=\"wpb_text_column wpb_content_element\" >\n\t<p><em>SCAVI<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Visi di dee<br \/>\nposano<br \/>\nsul verde lucente.<br \/>\nColonne infrante<br \/>\nstormire di fronde<br \/>\nbrezza di mare.<br \/>\nSi svegliano,<br \/>\nstupite volgono<br \/>\ni cavi occhi intorno:<br \/>\nlontano \u00e8 il bel corpo,<br \/>\nlontano il dolce tempo,<br \/>\nlontani la rosa e l\u2019alloro.<br \/>\nPiangono un disperato muto pianto.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\t\t<\/div> \n\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div> \n<\/div><\/div><div id=\"fws_69e004c784849\" data-midnight=\"\" data-column-margin=\"default\" class=\"wpb_row vc_row-fluid vc_row inner_row\"  style=\"\"><div class=\"row-bg-wrap\"> <div class=\"row-bg\" ><\/div> <\/div><div class=\"row_col_wrap_12_inner col span_12  left\">\n\t<div  class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column column_container vc_column_container col child_column no-extra-padding inherit_tablet inherit_phone\"   data-padding-pos=\"all\" data-has-bg-color=\"false\" data-bg-color=\"\" data-bg-opacity=\"1\" data-animation=\"\" data-delay=\"0\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"vc_column-inner\" >\n\t\t<div class=\"wpb_wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div 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